Comments on: If You Love Animals And The Environment…. http://veganverve.wordpress.com/2008/09/03/if-you-love-animals-and-the-environment/ Living In A Non-Vegan World Mon, 28 Sep 2009 20:31:51 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: Sara http://veganverve.wordpress.com/2008/09/03/if-you-love-animals-and-the-environment/#comment-236 Sara Wed, 17 Sep 2008 20:43:43 +0000 http://veganverve.wordpress.com/?p=421#comment-236 Blake, Thanks for your thoughtful words on the subject. You illustrate so poignantly the pitfalls of having someone like Sarah Palin (i.e. a female George Bush clone) in office. We've already had 8 years of an extremely ignorant and deceitful executive branch. And whether or not I am a liberal or a conservative, I follow all the candidates simply so I can have all the facts when creating my opinion of someone. Sure, I didn't base my opinion on her solely on her VP acceptance speech during the RNC - I could've seen that same speech many other times since then, as she doesn't seem to know how to say anything else. But I've also watched her interviews, and assessed my opinions from all of it. And if you must know, Blake, I'm a scientist and so I am not usually swayed by public opinion. I do research and form my own opinion based on the facts - it's part of the scientific method. I know just as much about her as what is available to know about her - and since I seem to take the responsibility to educate myself about all the facets of this election, I most likely know more than you about her, and the other candidates as well. The only reason you would call Palin "a articulate woman" (which should say 'an' articulate woman..but whose being nit-picky) is because she's given the same automated speech at every press event she's spoken at. In her interviews, if she is swayed from that same speech - verbatim, mind you - she gets tripped up. To me, that indicates a lack in articulation, but luckily I was educated long before the 'no child left behind' policy came about..perhaps you weren't so lucky. When asked about specific issues she fails to give her positions on certain things - which conveys to me someone who is untrustworthy - which I believe we've all seen before with the current administration. When asked about abortion, she answers that her personal belief is "life above all else" even in the case of rape and incest, as Nikki has mentioned. When she was asked if she would try to overturn Roe vs. Wade, she responded with the same verbatim answer. I'm sorry, that's actually not an answer..would you try to overturn Roe v Wade is a yes or no question. It's dodges such as that which cause me to be annoyed with her. Ok, so if she is pro-life but says we should try to reduce the number of abortions that occur in this country - that's a contradiction in terms. If you want to make abortion illegal, yet only REDUCE the number of abortions..doesn't that say to oneself that abortions will go back to being underground (and I don't mean that literally Blake, it's figurative) and therefore performed under less sterile conditions leading to much more complications for the woman? Or that women will be seeking abortions in other countries? Education about where babies come from should be first and foremost. Access to birth control and condoms to teenagers, and more open discussion about teen pregnancy, and such should be the issue in reducing the amount of unwanted pregnancies which lead to abortions - not even touching the rape issue. And when I was saying that I want someone more intelligent than I to head this country - I was referring to someone that has the ability to empathize with the working man, but doesn't talk like one - or feel he or she has to talk like someone less educated to relate. I didn't say I didn't want a "working man." I don't think dumbing down a campaign speech when attacking the issues is not what is going to fix this country. It's a sad state of affairs when we have to simplify things simply because we can't expect others to educate themselves and take responsibility for thinking critically. I'm sorry if you couldn't read between the lines and understand that..perhaps next time I'll have to be more blatant and depend less on the publics ability to infer comprehension, since apparently we have become a confederacy of dunces. Why is it to much to expect someone to have enough intelligence to speak clearly and concisely without dumbing it down in order for the public to understand? Doesn't that indicate a problem at the level of public? Why are we so happy with being ignorant, and when it comes to deciding who will be in charge of this country, why don't we want someone of the most intelligent caliber to lead us? They have spin doctors to dumb it down for the masses, but I want someone in charge who can attack a problem by thinking about all the ins and outs without first reaching for a pistol - foresee the potential outcomes of each possible reaction, and intelligently decide what is best for this country...that's what critical thinking means Blake. Blake, Thanks for your thoughtful words on the subject. You illustrate so poignantly the pitfalls of having someone like Sarah Palin (i.e. a female George Bush clone) in office. We’ve already had 8 years of an extremely ignorant and deceitful executive branch. And whether or not I am a liberal or a conservative, I follow all the candidates simply so I can have all the facts when creating my opinion of someone. Sure, I didn’t base my opinion on her solely on her VP acceptance speech during the RNC – I could’ve seen that same speech many other times since then, as she doesn’t seem to know how to say anything else. But I’ve also watched her interviews, and assessed my opinions from all of it. And if you must know, Blake, I’m a scientist and so I am not usually swayed by public opinion. I do research and form my own opinion based on the facts – it’s part of the scientific method. I know just as much about her as what is available to know about her – and since I seem to take the responsibility to educate myself about all the facets of this election, I most likely know more than you about her, and the other candidates as well. The only reason you would call Palin “a articulate woman” (which should say ‘an’ articulate woman..but whose being nit-picky) is because she’s given the same automated speech at every press event she’s spoken at. In her interviews, if she is swayed from that same speech – verbatim, mind you – she gets tripped up. To me, that indicates a lack in articulation, but luckily I was educated long before the ‘no child left behind’ policy came about..perhaps you weren’t so lucky. When asked about specific issues she fails to give her positions on certain things – which conveys to me someone who is untrustworthy – which I believe we’ve all seen before with the current administration. When asked about abortion, she answers that her personal belief is “life above all else” even in the case of rape and incest, as Nikki has mentioned. When she was asked if she would try to overturn Roe vs. Wade, she responded with the same verbatim answer. I’m sorry, that’s actually not an answer..would you try to overturn Roe v Wade is a yes or no question. It’s dodges such as that which cause me to be annoyed with her. Ok, so if she is pro-life but says we should try to reduce the number of abortions that occur in this country – that’s a contradiction in terms. If you want to make abortion illegal, yet only REDUCE the number of abortions..doesn’t that say to oneself that abortions will go back to being underground (and I don’t mean that literally Blake, it’s figurative) and therefore performed under less sterile conditions leading to much more complications for the woman? Or that women will be seeking abortions in other countries? Education about where babies come from should be first and foremost. Access to birth control and condoms to teenagers, and more open discussion about teen pregnancy, and such should be the issue in reducing the amount of unwanted pregnancies which lead to abortions – not even touching the rape issue.

And when I was saying that I want someone more intelligent than I to head this country – I was referring to someone that has the ability to empathize with the working man, but doesn’t talk like one – or feel he or she has to talk like someone less educated to relate. I didn’t say I didn’t want a “working man.” I don’t think dumbing down a campaign speech when attacking the issues is not what is going to fix this country. It’s a sad state of affairs when we have to simplify things simply because we can’t expect others to educate themselves and take responsibility for thinking critically. I’m sorry if you couldn’t read between the lines and understand that..perhaps next time I’ll have to be more blatant and depend less on the publics ability to infer comprehension, since apparently we have become a confederacy of dunces. Why is it to much to expect someone to have enough intelligence to speak clearly and concisely without dumbing it down in order for the public to understand? Doesn’t that indicate a problem at the level of public? Why are we so happy with being ignorant, and when it comes to deciding who will be in charge of this country, why don’t we want someone of the most intelligent caliber to lead us? They have spin doctors to dumb it down for the masses, but I want someone in charge who can attack a problem by thinking about all the ins and outs without first reaching for a pistol – foresee the potential outcomes of each possible reaction, and intelligently decide what is best for this country…that’s what critical thinking means Blake.

]]> By: veganverve http://veganverve.wordpress.com/2008/09/03/if-you-love-animals-and-the-environment/#comment-229 veganverve Sat, 13 Sep 2008 21:17:02 +0000 http://veganverve.wordpress.com/?p=421#comment-229 Even though I have no doubt Sara can defend herself, I would like to state for the record that Sara is a VERY intelligent woman. Beyond that, I would like to dissect your little comment. First of all, George Bush was governor of Texas at one point--which clearly makes being intelligent NOT a characteristic necessary of being a governor. Second of all, Sarah Palin and Hillary Clinton are nothing if not different. No, I did not necessarily believe in everything Clinton did, but at least she was trying to progress female rights not send them back to the dark ages like Palin (who thinks even a woman who is raped or a victim of incest SHOULD NOT be allowed to have an abortion)! How is that for pro-life? What kind of LIFE will the poor woman who was raped by a family member or complete stranger and became pregnant have? Pregnancy or not the woman would suffer emotional and mental turmoil for years. Add a pregnancy on top of that, which she would not be allowed to abort, would be disasterous. Making a woman carry a rapist's (familial or stranger) baby is cruel beyond belief. Even if these statements made by Palin were the ONLY statement I had from her, I would have heard enough. She can go back to Alaska and join her friends who wish to leave the USA and who want shoot all the beautiful creatures this planet has to offer. The woman only thinks she has values because she bases everything on God and religion. Just because you supposedly follow the Bible does not make you a moral person. Which leads me to another point: she apparently believes everything revolves around God...even Iraq was a "task from god"....ever hear of separation of church and state? Yeah, Sarah Palin go the F**K back to Alaska, Washington has enough problems as it is. Even though I have no doubt Sara can defend herself, I would like to state for the record that Sara is a VERY intelligent woman. Beyond that, I would like to dissect your little comment. First of all, George Bush was governor of Texas at one point–which clearly makes being intelligent NOT a characteristic necessary of being a governor. Second of all, Sarah Palin and Hillary Clinton are nothing if not different. No, I did not necessarily believe in everything Clinton did, but at least she was trying to progress female rights not send them back to the dark ages like Palin (who thinks even a woman who is raped or a victim of incest SHOULD NOT be allowed to have an abortion)! How is that for pro-life? What kind of LIFE will the poor woman who was raped by a family member or complete stranger and became pregnant have? Pregnancy or not the woman would suffer emotional and mental turmoil for years. Add a pregnancy on top of that, which she would not be allowed to abort, would be disasterous. Making a woman carry a rapist’s (familial or stranger) baby is cruel beyond belief. Even if these statements made by Palin were the ONLY statement I had from her, I would have heard enough. She can go back to Alaska and join her friends who wish to leave the USA and who want shoot all the beautiful creatures this planet has to offer. The woman only thinks she has values because she bases everything on God and religion. Just because you supposedly follow the Bible does not make you a moral person. Which leads me to another point: she apparently believes everything revolves around God…even Iraq was a “task from god”….ever hear of separation of church and state? Yeah, Sarah Palin go the F**K back to Alaska, Washington has enough problems as it is.

]]> By: Blake http://veganverve.wordpress.com/2008/09/03/if-you-love-animals-and-the-environment/#comment-228 Blake Sat, 13 Sep 2008 15:41:25 +0000 http://veganverve.wordpress.com/?p=421#comment-228 Sara, Based on your response.. Sarah Palin is much more intelligent than you. She is a governer, one of only 50 in our 300 million population. The latest liberal politics of destruction have lead to rediculous ideas like yours. Sarah is a articulate and intelligent woman no different than Hillary is yet because she is conservative, the liberal nutballs are doing their best to destroy her personally. You are just another in their lemming army. Get over yourself. You have no idea what this woman is yet. Blake Sara,

Based on your response.. Sarah Palin is much more intelligent than you. She is a governer, one of only 50 in our 300 million population. The latest liberal politics of destruction have lead to rediculous ideas like yours. Sarah is a articulate and intelligent woman no different than Hillary is yet because she is conservative, the liberal nutballs are doing their best to destroy her personally. You are just another in their lemming army. Get over yourself. You have no idea what this woman is yet.

Blake

]]> By: Sara http://veganverve.wordpress.com/2008/09/03/if-you-love-animals-and-the-environment/#comment-214 Sara Fri, 05 Sep 2008 18:55:35 +0000 http://veganverve.wordpress.com/?p=421#comment-214 UGH! This woman irritates me so bad! I am so tired of these effing politicians that portray themselves as all but intelligent in order to relate to the middle-class working family. The 'get down and dirty, I'm just like you, I feel your pain' personality. Personally, I don't want someone that is on the "working mans" level running the country. I want someone more intelligent than myself, and certainly more intelligent than farmer Joe down the street running the country. You don't have to be an idiot to listen to what the people are saying, in fact you should be more intelligent if you actually want to solve problems in the most efficient and logical manner. I want someone who can handle a complex situation and tackle multiple facets with more than the basic common sense to not inhale when eating a pretzel..but that could be asking for to much. Can anyone tell us what critical thinking means? UGH! This woman irritates me so bad! I am so tired of these effing politicians that portray themselves as all but intelligent in order to relate to the middle-class working family. The ‘get down and dirty, I’m just like you, I feel your pain’ personality. Personally, I don’t want someone that is on the “working mans” level running the country. I want someone more intelligent than myself, and certainly more intelligent than farmer Joe down the street running the country. You don’t have to be an idiot to listen to what the people are saying, in fact you should be more intelligent if you actually want to solve problems in the most efficient and logical manner. I want someone who can handle a complex situation and tackle multiple facets with more than the basic common sense to not inhale when eating a pretzel..but that could be asking for to much. Can anyone tell us what critical thinking means?

]]> By: Rural Vegan http://veganverve.wordpress.com/2008/09/03/if-you-love-animals-and-the-environment/#comment-213 Rural Vegan Fri, 05 Sep 2008 17:30:14 +0000 http://veganverve.wordpress.com/?p=421#comment-213 You know the status of polar bears is bad when even W steps up for them. How awful of a human being must one be, to be even more heartless than W? Shudders.... You know the status of polar bears is bad when even W steps up for them. How awful of a human being must one be, to be even more heartless than W?

Shudders….

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