It seems as though people have found a new target to focus their aggressions on: vegans and/or animal rights supporters. Not only that, but these individuals have begun writing anti-animal rights books. Their “reasons” to vilify our beliefs are proposterous and unwarranted. Apparently believing in the lives of animals makes us inconceiveably evil and elite. How dare we think of others! The irony of this is that true animal rights supporters will just become more vigilant in the face of these people and perhaps even change their opinion of the human species.
What on earth am I talking about? I’m talking about this article on the National Review Online (*ahem* screams right-wing) by an idiot by the name of Wesley J. Smith. It appears that Smith doesn’t like vegans and animal rights supporters. His main reason for writing this article seems to be various antics of PETA. Did you know that PETA was the one and only animal rights group? Did you also know that they represented all of our beliefs? No? Well good thing Smith came along to help us realize this!
The driving foundation of this article is the response of PETA regarding Jessica Simpson wearing a t-shirt declaring that upstanding females consume the flesh of others. PETA’s response, which was unnecessary considering who is taking dietary advice from the likes of Jessica Simpson, was the usual meat consumption causes death and anguish declaration. True indeed, but yet another move by PETA that allows twits like Wesley J. Smith to accost our belief system.
It appears that those in the vegan and animal rights community are “hold(ing) a weak intellectual hand” when it comes to debating the issue of “meat is murder”. Did you know this? Because this was all news to me. It appears that we are not actually vegans in the true sense, since mice, rabbits, birds, snakes and other small creatures are killed by the cultivation of the land. It is true that those poor little guys probably do get killed by farm equipment daily, and for that I am sorry. But how is this fact a reason to attack vegans? Since we consume only vegetables, grains, fruits etc., we are apparently responsible for each and every death that occurs on the farms. Or at the very least we cannot claim we are eating a murder-free diet. But is that really true?
I see it this way: those in opposition to us have so little in their favor in terms of evidence for maintaining their heart-clogging, global warming enhancing, death mongering lifestyle that they now need to vilify us to make themselves feel better. It is becoming ever-more alarming how similar war mongers are to meat mongers. What’s that? Yes, you’re right. Most vegans probably do come from the left-wingers side. Good catch! (Oh but this is a whole ‘nother story indeed!)
So let me just break down the article of this special consultant to the Center of Bioethics and Culture (that gave me a good laugh).
Nor can they argue that field animals experience less-agonizing deaths from plant agriculture than food animals do from food-animal slaughtering. Field animals may flee in panic as the great rumbling harvest combines approach, only to be shredded to bits within their merciless blades; they may be burned to death when field leavings are burned; they may be poisoned by pesticides; they may die from predation when their plant cover has been removed.
Really? Are “food-animals” allowed the option to flee? Are they allowed the option to live in this field or that one? Are they allowed the option to eat what they want instead of being force-fed antibiotics and remains of their former relatives? I think not. I am sure that many animals do die in the harvesting process of modern-day grain etc. farming. But, Smith seems to deliver us a terrible image of animal after animal being killed by farm equipment at every turn. First of all, has this guy ever seen a farm actually harvested? Farm equipment doesn’t exactly move 90 MPH. On the other hand, have you seen a rabbit run? I’m quite certain that most animals that enter the fields leave the fields alive (except if captured by predator species). This cannot be said for any farm animal grown for food (except for those lucky few that are rescued by farm sanctuaries!). Have you ever known a mouse to NOT be afraid of a human nonetheless a gigantic machine? Most of the animals listed on Smith’s article are either skiddish by nature or very quick. In no way am I saying NO animal ever dies from the likes of farm equipment, I just suspect it is much lower than individuals on Smith’s side contend. Also, do animals no longer have the capability to smell? Do they not realize to run when a huge fire ball is headed their way? Generally animals killed in fire deaths are surrounded by fire with no escape. This would not often be the case in controlled burns on farms. Poisoned by pesticides? People poison animals in their homes and call it “pest control”, when are those people going to be attacked? Plus, humans are be continually poisoned by pesticides daily…its just a much slower process that is supported by pesticide companies and non-organic farmers. Lastly, animals dying from predation is the least of any animals problems these days. At least predation is a natural norm and necessary for a healthy ecosystem. Did anyone care to consider all the animals and entire species being wiped out by global warming (which factory farming of animals is the #1 contributor to)? Also, does it even matter to such people as this that most grain, soybeans etc. are raised for livestock feed? Eh? I feel absurd for even validating these reasons of Smith’s by repeating them here, but I wanted everyone to see the stupidity!
Moreover, even if the relative number of animals killed were the morally decisive issue, veganism might not be the most ethical solution. In 2001, S. L. Davis of the Department of Animal Sciences at Oregon State University, Corvallis, wrote a paper claiming that the diet most likely to result in the deaths of the fewest animals would be beef, lamb, and dairy — not vegan. Davis found a study that measured mouse population density per hectare in grain fields both before and after harvest and estimated a harvest casualty rate of ten mice per hectare. Then, he multiplied that figure by 120 million hectares of farmland in the U.S.; meaning that 1.2 billion mice would die each year in food production if America became a wholly vegan country.
Oh the insanity continues! First of all, S.L. Davis is an ass. I am officially ashamed of Oregon State University. I am increasingly disturbed by these individuals in the academic community, frequently in the animal sciences/biology departments completely vilifying animal rights and animals in general. I was under the impression that academia was supposed to be better informed and wise. All this makes me wonder how my former professors stand on these issues. I may be horrified to know! But I digress! Davis’ paper is ridiculous, plain and simple. First off, he is assuming that dietary habits regarding beef, lamb and dairy would stay exactly the same if people in this country no longer ate chicken, turkey and pork. Really? No one would eat more beef or lamb or milk or cheese? Wow. What a omnivorian utopia. Consider the more likely scenario: no chicken, turkey or pork would raise the consumption of beef etc. drastically, thereby completely negating Davis’ thesis. Second, if we are all supposed to be omnivorian, based on this paper, wouldn’t the very idea of current vegans and vegetarians now eating beef, lamb and dairy cause an increase as well? Wonder why Davis’ chose to just make it a beef, lamb and dairy diet? Because chickens would have thrown a gigantic loop into his logic, since more chickens are killed than the concocted number of mice in his theory. Secondly, his estimations regarding population density are fairy invalid as well. He does not take into account that the field equipment may have scared away individuals, natural predation and general mouse lifespan. But don’t take my word for it, here are the ridiculous notions straight from Davis”:
Accurate numbers of mortality aren’t available, but Tew and Macdonald (1993) reported that wood mouse population density in cereal fields dropped from 25/ha preharvest to less than 5/ha postharvest. This decrease was attributed to migration out of the field and to mortality. Therefore, it may be reasonable to estimate mortality of 10 animals/ha in conventional corn and soybean production.
So just for the hell of it, lets assume half of the missing mice are dead from human activity–even though we have no actual mortality numbers available and no decent former studies to prove it. Yeah, good science Davis’, you should be up for an award. And with this blatant assumption game on Davis’ part, anti-vegans/animal rights individuals are finding ammunition. Oh, their reasonings are flawless!!
Also from Davis’:
According to the USDA numbers quoted {…}, of the 8.4 billion animals killed each year for food in the US, 8 billion of those are poultry and only 41 million are ruminants (cows, calves, sheep, lambs). Even if the numbers of ruminants killed for food each year doubled to replace the 8 billion poultry, the total number of animals that would need to be killed under this alternative would still be fewer than in the vegan alternative.
I suppose that answers my previous statement regarding increase of beef etc. consumption, but double? So this country will go from consuming 8 BILLION chickens and 41 MILLION ruminants, to ONLY consuming at most 82 MILLION ruminants? Really? What on earth will all those flesh craving individuals do with 7.96 BILLION less creatures to eat? Seriously? The idea of only doubling is proposterous!!!
Further brilliancy from Smith:
Contending that meat eating is somehow murder while veganism is morally pristine because it doesn’t result in intentional animal deaths is factually false and self-delusional. No matter your diet, animals surely died that you might live.
I cannot believe oxygen is being wasted on idiots like this. How are vegans simply “contending” that meat is murder? Are animals NOT in fact raised for the sole reason of being killed for consumption? Isn’t intentional killing in fact murder? Did I miss something during my time on earth?? If us vegans are not “morally pristine” I would like to know what strict omnivores or carnivores are then. Morally vacant perhaps? I know two people who are morally vacant *ahem*.













Oh The Stupidity!
September 3, 2008 at 3:35 am (Animal Rights, Animals, Random)
Tags: Brainwashing, Comments, Cows, Idiots, Meat Eaters, Propaganda, Stupidity, Veganism, Vegans
Hello everyone! First of all, I’d like to announce that apparently my cupcake SUCKS cause I am losing pitifully. But oh well, at least I have cupcakes!!
I would LOVE to share this gem I received in my comments today….oh, it is quite fun-filled. Hope you get a good laugh from it as I did!
Apparently this is from someone who calls himself “NotADumbassWhoBelievesEverythingHeReads”. Oh yeah, it gets better! Now you knew from that name that he just HAD to be an idiot, but let him prove that himself!
Okay, I will let you absorb that comment for a bit. Take all the time you need! I actually was somewhat happy to receive this comment…hell, I was a little iffy on what to write about tonight but this gave me the perfect topic! Idiots! Yay! The never-ending topic that always brings me such agonizing joy to complain about. Now lets go through this, shall we? Side note: this was a comment left on my Cows Fed Junk Food piece.
First of all, even a great number of doctors are finally coming to the conclusion that meat is BAD for the body. How else would you explain the tremendous rate of high cholesterol, heart ailments, heart attacks, obesity etc etc.? And how would you explain that these ailments only generally arise in a “western” style diet? Asian countries who are becoming more “western” in diet or wealthy (and therefore able to afford meats etc., depending on how you wish to look at it) are finding their rates of these ailments increasing drastically. They have gone from nearly no such ailments in their societies to great numbers suffering from them. Oh, that must be from the tomato and lettuce ON the burger. Damn tomatoes, screwing all of us up! Second of all, I am anything BUT brainwashed. If anyone is brainwashed it is this fool who continues to swallow every ounce of propaganda given to him by the government and meat and dairy industries. Also, I don’t adhere to ANY bible. I personally don’t believe in the bible one iota. But that is another topic altogether. As for PETA, I don’t get much, if any, of my information from PETA actually. I find that I don’t often agree with PETA, but I do find it is a good source of information for people just starting to explore animal rights.
Hmm, how does this make my junk food point invalid in any way? Was there supposed to be a test showing the level of chocolate in their system? Because I really doubt they would go through the trouble of testing the meat for every iota of nutritional information since they won’t even test every cow for Mad Cow Disease (and other diseases). Hell, they don’t even test 5%, if even 1%.
Oh yes, and the artery clogging that is occurring DAILY brings me great joy. Here’s to your heart attack! May you enjoy it as much as your burgers
Ouch, he is trying to get Pro-lifers involved too! Wow, attacking vegans and pro-lifers (I’m sure some are one in the same). Sorry for the graphic image people, hope you weren’t eating lunch! Hmm, I dare say the mother of this uneducated, brainwashed idiot should have given a second thought to having him. Moving on though. Let’s see, do I care where my food comes from? Yes. Does a cow care where it comes from? Well I suppose a cow wouldn’t necessarily care where it came from, but I have a pretty good idea it would care WHAT it was. Cows are not scavengers, they do not eat anything and everything. They have preferences involving their diet (and their lives), or else they would be just like a vulture. So no, cows wouldn’t care where their GRASS came from, but they sure as hell probably care why they are forced to eat CHOCOLATE. Guaranteed: if a cow had a choice between fresh grass and ethanol waste, he is choosing the grass.
Yay for silly vegans and their long, silly, healthy lives! Oh and there are plenty of people who are far less intelligent that any cow you could find me. FAR LESS INTELLIGENT.
Wow, all this time I have been forced at gunpoint to eat my veggies! Holy crap, I must have been forced to make it too! Damn, someone really has some control over me. Oh if only I could think for myself. IF ONLY!
Hey, this guy can talk to cows! Holy crap, I’m in awe of his cow communication. He must communicate with one just about at his level too or else I’m sure he would have heard SOME sort of complaint. At the very least in the realm of “please don’t slaughter me”. Hmm, maybe I have had it wrong all this time. Wow, he really has opened my eyes. Cows speaking English (I assume it isn’t Russian or Spanish since this guy communicates in English), what will do next?
Cows Can Speak English!!
Such sweet parting words, brings a tear to my eye. *sniffle* I think I am in love! A cow whisperer and poet to boot! Oh, be still my heart!
Where to begin…WHERE to begin.
It really is funny that we “people” make him sad for the human race. Funny because I find that people who have their heads stuck up their asses are the ones who are ruining the human race. Especially when they reproduce and spread the bigotry, stupidity and overall angry traits. Did you happen to notice that all of a sudden I CHOOSE to eat what I do? Wow, what a transition. I just had a gun pointed at my head a minute ago too. Phew, glad that is over!
How exactly is it that I do not (and others who are vegan) think for myself? Would the LOGICAL situation not be that those who are following the STANDARD diet are the ones not thinking for themselves? Those who are doing just as the meat and dairy companies are wanting them to do, they are the ones NOT thinking for themselves. Since only less than 1% of the United States’ population is vegan, and only about 1-2% are vegetarian, that leaves…ooooh over 97% of Americans following the standard meat, dairy then maybe some veggies diet. Wow, somehow the less than 1% are so strong and powerful that they can brainwash me to eat what they eat! Wait, did they also force me to read books, go to school and to love animals? OMG, they had me since birth. Those bastards and their mass of media outlets constantly bombarding me with images of what I should be eating. Oh please, make the billboards, neon signs and commercials dictating that I am to eat at a vegan restaurant go away! I can’t take all the veggie burger advertisements any more! Wait a minute, they never advertise for veggie burgers on television. I’ve also never seen a billboard saying where the next exit for a vegan restaurant was. Holy crap, I have seen such a thing for McDonald’s, Burger King, Wendy’s, Taco Bell, KFC and the like though. OMG, could the cow whisperer be wrong? Could the meat eaters actually be the brainwashed ones? Thank my vegan bible, it is true!
My guess: this person is not very well educated, has at the very least his head up his ass, is a bigot, is a bachelor, doesn’t believe in global warming and loves fast food. What age are you giving him? Since I don’t know his age now, I am going to guess a heart attack at the ripe ol’ age of 45. Hopefully he won’t have reproduced by then.
Oh, and Mr. Dumbass, all comments of yours will be dismissed, so don’t even bother.
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